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		<title>Comment on O Fortuna ~ Misheard by rogueclassicist</title>
		<link>http://rogueclassicism.com/2012/06/02/o-fortuna-misheard/#comment-18953</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rogueclassicist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I posted that once upon a time ... maybe on facebook ... definitely a classics]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I posted that once upon a time &#8230; maybe on facebook &#8230; definitely a classics</p>
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		<title>Comment on O Fortuna ~ Misheard by David Emery</title>
		<link>http://rogueclassicism.com/2012/06/02/o-fortuna-misheard/#comment-18952</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Emery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s another attempt to put words with the music, my all-time favorite ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY6uJlI-t14]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another attempt to put words with the music, my all-time favorite ad: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY6uJlI-t14" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY6uJlI-t14</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient Roman Cinema Projector? I Hae Me Doots Big Time by rogueclassicist</title>
		<link>http://rogueclassicism.com/2012/05/29/ancient-roman-cinema-projector-i-hae-me-doots-big-time/#comment-18946</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rogueclassicist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a troublesome phrase: &#039;fiction informs fact&#039; because in our discipline, we do use fiction to inform fact (i.e. we use literature to interpret an archaeological item), but you are using it in quite a different sense and in a sense which might not readily be apparent to the public at large (especially when put in a fundraising context). If you page through this blog, inter alia, you will also see that on an increasing basis, our discipline is constantly being confronted by non-specialists making sensational claims about the ancient world which -- if not challenged by folks who know better (e.g. me, Dr Tronchin, and others) -- will end up on the &#039;internet record&#039; as &#039;fact&#039;. I thank you for your comments (you too, SG), but the optics of this one just aren&#039;t right and it needs to be challenged as presented ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a troublesome phrase: &#8216;fiction informs fact&#8217; because in our discipline, we do use fiction to inform fact (i.e. we use literature to interpret an archaeological item), but you are using it in quite a different sense and in a sense which might not readily be apparent to the public at large (especially when put in a fundraising context). If you page through this blog, inter alia, you will also see that on an increasing basis, our discipline is constantly being confronted by non-specialists making sensational claims about the ancient world which &#8212; if not challenged by folks who know better (e.g. me, Dr Tronchin, and others) &#8212; will end up on the &#8216;internet record&#8217; as &#8216;fact&#8217;. I thank you for your comments (you too, SG), but the optics of this one just aren&#8217;t right and it needs to be challenged as presented &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient Roman Cinema Projector? I Hae Me Doots Big Time by Henry J.</title>
		<link>http://rogueclassicism.com/2012/05/29/ancient-roman-cinema-projector-i-hae-me-doots-big-time/#comment-18886</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, the installation is entirely fiction -- I have fabricated all the evidence -- not for the purpose of deceiving anyone but to call attention to &quot;what might have been.&quot;  The Greeks and Romans, after all, had the technology to create a movie projector; perhaps they did and the evidence was lost to history. In that sense, &quot;Ancient Cinema&quot; uses stories, objects and images to describe a world in which fiction informs fact just as much as fact informs fiction]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the installation is entirely fiction &#8212; I have fabricated all the evidence &#8212; not for the purpose of deceiving anyone but to call attention to &#8220;what might have been.&#8221;  The Greeks and Romans, after all, had the technology to create a movie projector; perhaps they did and the evidence was lost to history. In that sense, &#8220;Ancient Cinema&#8221; uses stories, objects and images to describe a world in which fiction informs fact just as much as fact informs fiction</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient Roman Cinema Projector? I Hae Me Doots Big Time by Henry J.</title>
		<link>http://rogueclassicism.com/2012/05/29/ancient-roman-cinema-projector-i-hae-me-doots-big-time/#comment-18881</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It really is &#039;just laying around so we pick it up&quot;.  Post Yugoslavia Croatia is still somewhat of a wild west.  The clay fragments are literally everywhere in the vicinity of Nin and Privlaka]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is &#8216;just laying around so we pick it up&#8221;.  Post Yugoslavia Croatia is still somewhat of a wild west.  The clay fragments are literally everywhere in the vicinity of Nin and Privlaka</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient Roman Cinema Projector? I Hae Me Doots Big Time by Steve Gallagher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Gallagher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think Jesionka&#039;s intent was to perpetrate a hoax.  If you read the articles at the project website --  http://www.ancient-cinema.org/ -- especially the one entitled &quot;Discrete Monuments&quot; -- he pretty much explains what the intent of the project is:

&quot;In his installation, &#039;Ancient Cinema,&#039; Henry Jesionka takes on [Hollis] Frampton&#039;s challenge [to invent a metahistory of film] and makes a plausible case for extending the history of cinema to the ancient world. Jesionka fabricates an ancient  Roman “film” projector consistent with the sophisticated technological and artistic skills of Greek and Roman artisans at the turn of the millennium. He also presents archaeological &#039;evidence&#039; (inscribed coins, lamps, glass slides) to support his claim.  Although the installation is entirely speculative&quot; -- READ &quot;FICTION&quot; -- &quot;it tackles the very real project of history and its construction. Jesionka creates a &#039;missing link&#039; in the recorded history of cinema to bridge the (unacceptably large) gap between Paleolithic cave art (32,000 BC) and William Lincoln&#039;s zoopraxiscope (1867), the first modern film projector.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Jesionka&#8217;s intent was to perpetrate a hoax.  If you read the articles at the project website &#8212;  <a href="http://www.ancient-cinema.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ancient-cinema.org/</a> &#8212; especially the one entitled &#8220;Discrete Monuments&#8221; &#8212; he pretty much explains what the intent of the project is:</p>
<p>&#8220;In his installation, &#8216;Ancient Cinema,&#8217; Henry Jesionka takes on [Hollis] Frampton&#8217;s challenge [to invent a metahistory of film] and makes a plausible case for extending the history of cinema to the ancient world. Jesionka fabricates an ancient  Roman “film” projector consistent with the sophisticated technological and artistic skills of Greek and Roman artisans at the turn of the millennium. He also presents archaeological &#8216;evidence&#8217; (inscribed coins, lamps, glass slides) to support his claim.  Although the installation is entirely speculative&#8221; &#8212; READ &#8220;FICTION&#8221; &#8212; &#8220;it tackles the very real project of history and its construction. Jesionka creates a &#8216;missing link&#8217; in the recorded history of cinema to bridge the (unacceptably large) gap between Paleolithic cave art (32,000 BC) and William Lincoln&#8217;s zoopraxiscope (1867), the first modern film projector.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on TedTalk: William Noel on the Archimedes Palimpsest by Divna Manolova</title>
		<link>http://rogueclassicism.com/2012/05/30/tedtalk-william-noel-on-the-archimedes-palimpsest/#comment-18854</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Divna Manolova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://septemartesliberales.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/tedtalk-william-noel-on-the-archimedes-palimpsest/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;7artesliberales&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="http://septemartesliberales.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/tedtalk-william-noel-on-the-archimedes-palimpsest/" rel="nofollow">7artesliberales</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Galaxy Zoo Meets the Oxyrhynchus Papyri? by Paty</title>
		<link>http://rogueclassicism.com/2010/03/28/galaxy-zoo-meets-the-oxyrhynchus-papyri/#comment-18797</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 23:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for all the comments.  One of thigns I worry about as I talk with folks in the UK about digitization projects is that the Crown Copyright/non-Bridgeman regime is going to make this kind of opener (but still restricted) use the best we can hope for.  As Chris Lintott points out, Ancient Lives is a massive advance in openess despite the restrictions.To the extent such thigns are possible, I think that the case for openness should be made to rights-holders.  One of the side effects of restricted use is that a project limits its user contributions to only the kinds of activities permitted.  A good example of the downside of this may be seen in the comments to the .  There are three separate comment threads bemoaning the copyright on the images (, , ).  What&#039;s interesting is that in addition to general grouching about closed projects, two of the posts discuss computational approaches to assembling and analyzing the papyrus fragments in terms of &quot;what would happen if we put the images through X?&quot;  This is a form of public participation which was likely never envisioned as it&#039;s well outside the scope of Ancient Lives tool, but it&#039;s prohibited nonetheless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments.  One of thigns I worry about as I talk with folks in the UK about digitization projects is that the Crown Copyright/non-Bridgeman regime is going to make this kind of opener (but still restricted) use the best we can hope for.  As Chris Lintott points out, Ancient Lives is a massive advance in openess despite the restrictions.To the extent such thigns are possible, I think that the case for openness should be made to rights-holders.  One of the side effects of restricted use is that a project limits its user contributions to only the kinds of activities permitted.  A good example of the downside of this may be seen in the comments to the .  There are three separate comment threads bemoaning the copyright on the images (, , ).  What&#8217;s interesting is that in addition to general grouching about closed projects, two of the posts discuss computational approaches to assembling and analyzing the papyrus fragments in terms of &#8220;what would happen if we put the images through X?&#8221;  This is a form of public participation which was likely never envisioned as it&#8217;s well outside the scope of Ancient Lives tool, but it&#8217;s prohibited nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Child Sacrifice at Carthage? by Sacrifices of children at Carthage &#8211; the sources at Roger Pearse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sacrifices of children at Carthage &#8211; the sources at Roger Pearse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 19:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 20, chapter 14 (via RogueClassicism and Lacus [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient Roman Cinema Projector? I Hae Me Doots Big Time by rogueclassicist</title>
		<link>http://rogueclassicism.com/2012/05/29/ancient-roman-cinema-projector-i-hae-me-doots-big-time/#comment-18671</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rogueclassicist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes ... it&#039;s like, it&#039;s just laying around so we pick it up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8230; it&#8217;s like, it&#8217;s just laying around so we pick it up!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient Roman Cinema Projector? I Hae Me Doots Big Time by Francesca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francesca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also just really love how the first 30 seconds of the video seem to condone casual looting of archaeological material.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also just really love how the first 30 seconds of the video seem to condone casual looting of archaeological material.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient Roman Cinema Projector? I Hae Me Doots Big Time by rogueclassicist</title>
		<link>http://rogueclassicism.com/2012/05/29/ancient-roman-cinema-projector-i-hae-me-doots-big-time/#comment-18640</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rogueclassicist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 09:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah yes ... important evidence to be sure!  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes &#8230; important evidence to be sure!  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient Roman Cinema Projector? I Hae Me Doots Big Time by Tom Verenna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Verenna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 03:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://tomverenna.wordpress.com/2012/02/14/camera-technology-in-ancient-rome-the-surprising-facts-revealed/]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on An Odyssey TV Series? by rogueclassicist</title>
		<link>http://rogueclassicism.com/2012/05/27/an-odyssey-tv-series/#comment-18555</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rogueclassicist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 17:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[they seem to be taking the &#039;dark ages&#039; theory of dating ... not sure why]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they seem to be taking the &#8216;dark ages&#8217; theory of dating &#8230; not sure why</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Odyssey TV Series? by Michael Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Wolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 13:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[8BC?  Isn&#039;t that well over a thousand years off?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8BC?  Isn&#8217;t that well over a thousand years off?</p>
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